LEFT OF DAYTON

Hooker Update/The Future is Ours?? | September 18, 2007

Last week a small group of BusinessPeople and a Santa Clara Neighborhood Association member met with County Commissioner Dan Foley and two County officials {Sunrise Center & Criminal Justice Council} concerning the prostitution issue on Main St and Dayton in general. The discussion ranged from a general overview to what specifically can be done.

The Sunrise Center has received a Weed & Seed grant to be used to explore options that include research and development of rehabilitation and deterrence programs which could include “john schools”. According to a pamphlet on Prostitution & community solutions I recently received from the Dept of Justice recidivism among graduates of the john school’s is very low. Different cities John School programs include lectures on STD’s confrontations with ex prostitutes etc. Some include making the johns perform community service in the areas where they were picked up, picking up trash and other unsavory tasks. A possible approach.

Another angle of the discussion concerned a “Million Dollar Murray” solution. An interesting article on this appeared in the New Yorker . http://www.gladwell.com/2006/2006_02_13_a_murray.html

The essence of it being that sometimes it is cheaper to provide concrete solutions [housing, child care] than to continue to arrest the same people over and over again. It was posited that if there were 500 prostitutes in Dayton [a number pulled out of the air that may not be far off…] what if 50 of them accounted for 50% of the arrests? Perhaps targeting those women would do more to alleviate the problem. This assumes that many of the  450 are part timers or ones who don’t get caught.

Arrests peaked in 1999 and have dropped off considerably since then. The last couple of years # have been “flat” [thanks to DDN tip on this]. Possible reasons vary, with the reduction in the # of cops assigned to the Vice squad considered a major factor. Economic issues also play a role, a downturn in the overall economy tends to e reflected in a rise in women resorting to prostitution as a “money solution”. The consensus of the discussion was that a Nevada type “legalization” solution was not in the cards and that aiming at development of programs to help women get out of the “life” offered the most concrete “solution”.

It will be interesting to see if County & City officials can get on the same page with this. More information will be forthcoming as I get it.

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  1. I believe that this issue was discussed earlier at this site well over a month ago. It was also resoundingly slammed. Funny how it is mentioned now like its a new idea!

    I am curious as this site seems to “lean” more toward the legalization – can we put it next to YOUR house?

    And don’t give me that “combat zone” crap that has floated around other blogs. However, I might support a “combat zone” if I could say -SMOKE A CIGARETTE and have a beer there…but that would probably not be allowed by the combat zone’s biggest supporter – name begins with an “E” and ends with an “I”…curious who that could be? He also happens to be the biggest supporter of the smoking ban (and I am betting the biggest reporter of violators). I wonder how that works out in his brain?

    Many of prostitues that are arrested are under the age of consent and no one is discussing the fact that this is child rape. Let me write that again – child rape. And this is not exclusive to the female “hookers”. There are plenty of young men “taking a ride”.

    You offer an article about a drunk in NV? Afraid I don’t see ANY similarities…the drunk doesn’t leave used condoms, invite drug dealers to my neighborhood, nor take AIDS home to his wife.

    The wives also seem to be lost in your legalization argument. Will you be notifying the wife that her husband is at a “legal brothel”? No? His personal freedom? Oh wait – you will state how there will be STD tests made mandatory. Maybe you missed how the entire porn industry was halted by one AIDS positive individual. AIDS tests were (and still are) mandatory – he just got around the process. Nevertheless, would you want the person you were with in marriage to be with anyone else?

    A comprise that generates $$ for the City/County and $$ to help former hookers if they want it has been formulated. The men get the STD tests (by law for THEIR information ONLY) and the City gets $$ for each one that chooses John’s School in lieu of jail.

    Above all it would scare the crap out of the man with “My Child is an Honor Roll Student at ABC School” from entering Dayton for his “fix”. Read the stats – most of the Johns arrested are NOT FROM DAYTON.

    I can just see Dayton’s new slogan – Dayton where you can legally rape a child but not smoke a cigarette.

    Really, that is just -Priceless…

    Comment by Jim Poole — September 18, 2007 @ 4:52 am

  2. Resoundingly slammed?? Are we looking at the same blog?? Please point out the slam….

    On your other points…I don’t lean for or against “legalizations” at this point, the ideas presented were just that, ideas based on a reality that exists in Nevada [where, the way, the incidences of STD’s at the legal brothels is virtually 0%] Same with David’s screed about the “combat zone” another IDEA. I’m a pragmatist on this issue…hooking is NOT going to end in our lifetime, so what real solutions are there?
    Localized Legalization is the least likely as the law on this is promulgated on a state level. A combat zone presents obvious problems and at the same time, some solutions {See, under Sex zones, Copenhagen, Amsterdam}.

    What is the cost to investigate, arrest, convict and jail your average prostitute. A pragmatists would weigh the total costs of those actions against the social and monetary ones and look for a cheaper & more effective solution, a la “Million Dollar Murray”. [you really should follow the links to get the full picture…]

    Did you note the comment I made above about the John schools? This is an area where some serious action is likely to happen locally. Ultimately, reducing demand is the only way to reduce supply…hooking is, after all, a capitalist enterprise. No Johns, no hookers. The Dept of Justice study mentioned above is well documented and shows, as I stated, that there is a very low recidivism rate from “graduates” of these “schools”.

    No, I would not want my partner to be involved with someone else. That does not mean I have a responsibility to bring that to a johns partners attention. That gets into areas of privacy deeper than Bush’s NSA snooping.

    I do not know what % of arrested prostitutes are under age, but since you bring it up, I agree, rape charges could very well be in order for those men having sex with females under the legal age of consent. Information on an age breakdown will be forthcoming soon as it andf much more is available, it just has to be quantified. This will be posted ASAP.

    You are incorrect as to where most of the Johns come from…18 are from Dayton, 16 on the list are from outside the city. Count ’em at http://prostitutionconvictionsdaytonohio.wordpress.com/.
    This is the most recent OFFICIAL record of arrests and convictions.

    A well reasoned discourse on this topic is welcomed, but me thinks that the nicotine you use [more addictive than heroin, but legal] might be affecting your thought processes. And yes, I do support the smoking ban, without reservation. With smoker, just as with prostitutes, society has at least some obligation to help those with self destructive behavior when they can’t seem to help themselves…

    Now, I’ve already watched 4-5 prostitutes [that I know of or was paying enough attention to see] stroll past my shop in the last three hours. I want to be part of the solution, not be a contributer to the problem. Thanks for your comments.

    Comment by leftofdayton — September 18, 2007 @ 6:16 pm

  3. The reality of Ohio is that the cultural conservatism of this state means we are not going to see any type of Nevada soltuion, nor will we see the European solution….legalization or quasi-legalization and sex districts. Interestingly it was more cultural conservatism that assisted the no-smoking ban as I know the religous right was mobilized to some extent to support the smoking ban.

    The proposals are interesting. John school and the repeat offender thing make sense, esp. the repeat offender “Murray” concept…looking at the costs issue.

    Question about the Johns…are these repeat offenders after they get caught? Or do they repeat UNTIL they get caught? (and I did find it interesting that there was a nearly even split between city and suburb as place of residence for the Johns.

    Comment by Jeff — September 19, 2007 @ 1:48 am


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